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Gigolo Joe's avatar

I'm sorry, I couldn't make it through the whole article. You may be new to geopolitics, but after everything you've witnessed over the last two years just with regard to "COVID" and the drug companies and mandates, how on earth can you continue to believe what the government and the media tell you, or how they characterize it? How can listen to them tell you that it's a very clear cut case of good versus evil, and that the Western establishment are the good guys? How can you go on to repeat this narrative in good conscience when you have obviously never once looked outside of the MSM for information?

I was following Ukraine 8 years ago when the US funded and trained *literal* neo Nazi's to stage a coup and overthrow the elected leader. I was following it because they had just done the very same thing, using the very same strategy in Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, and Syria, and the pattern was very clearly established.

You should really look into the condition of Libya before its ostensible "dictator" was overthrown and murdered, as Hillary took so much delight in pointing out. If there ever was a more advanced example of representative, participatory democracy in existence on this planet, or a people who were lifted so high, from so low, by the benefit of the nation's resources, I have not seen it.

These are the "good" guys- https://www.sydneycriminallawyers.com.au/blog/us-votes-against-un-adopted-anti-nazi-resolution-while-australia-abstains/

As for Iran, the only reason the West hates them is because Israel hates them. If you'd like to show us a drawing of an old-timey cannonball-shaped bomb to warn us of how Iran is just minutes away from possessing a nuclear bomb, you should know that nonsense has been more thoroughly discredited than the face diapers have. I'm not even going to bother telling you how they've striven for international compliance only to be rebuffed by our fifth-column controlled congress, because you should have the integrity to find that out for yourself before writing about what a threat they pose.

I'm sorry, your other writings are good, but you're out of your depth here. It always astonishes me how people can go from denouncing the duplicitous cesspit of MSM on one subject to repeating their claims verbatim on another in the same breath. How do you decide which one they're lying through their vile, foul mouths about, and which one they represent with unassailable truthfulness?

(FYI, Mathew Crawford wrote an excellent article on the subject, which is called "Gell-Mann Amnesia") https://roundingtheearth.substack.com/p/gell-mann-amnesia-dissonance-and?s=r

For the sake of a nod toward objectivity, and a bit of a different perspective, here's an author who lives in Ukraine- https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPxpPT4b4vnDlX0sBGz3r4Q/videos

And here's an independent journalist who's spent considerable time travelling Ukraine- https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqySDfPcmKYq6oUeC03y57A/videos

This is not meant to be an insult or attack, but to your point, some things can be more dangerous than weapons. From my point of view, the biggest danger is ignorance. We've all been guilty of holding and sharing opinions we weren't really qualified to have in the first place, but when you find yourself speaking in unison with people who have revealed themselves to be the most corrupt evildoers on the planet, it's probably time to do some self-reflection. "Mee too-ing" on this subject amounts to support for war, and runs counter to your true intentions.

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PDG's avatar

I think you missed the point of the article. Just the threat of nuclear weapons has kept the west on the sidelines. Iran has shown tremendous instability. Putting nukes in their hands will not end well. Judging from your comments, it sounds to me like you disagree with that. I hope they never get their nukes, but if they do, I hope you are right that Iran is not the bad guy they are made out to be.

Thanks for your comments!

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Gigolo Joe's avatar

I think you missed the point of my comment. Iran does not have nuclear ambitions. This is a fiction which only persists in Jewish occupied countries. Not that I disagree with your premise, in principal. It's just built on faulty pretenses.

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PDG's avatar

One point the article attempts to make is to show that if you have nukes, it renders the west essentially helpless. Nobody wants to risk nuclear annihilation. That, of course, is just my opinion. I admit there are many other factors at play in Ukraine. As far as Iran is concerned, that is your opinion that they have no nuclear ambitions. Again Joe, I hope you are right and respect your opinion. I agree, trying to sift through the news and discern what is real and what is fake is not easy. However, if Iran really wants to see the destruction of Israel (Unless the interpreters are lying) and they say they do, nukes would be about their only path. The problem is; Israel is a nuclear power as well. Hopefully Iran has no such ambitions. Thanks again.

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Gigolo Joe's avatar

We're painted a picture of how we're the good guys, desperately trying in vain to bring order to a lawless world, but here's a glimpse behind the curtain of of how we really operate- https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2021/11/03/669850/Iran-IRGC-confrontation-United-States-oil-piracy

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Gigolo Joe's avatar

You're right about proliferation, and I *do* agree with you in principle. As for Iran, most malicious interpretations say Iran calls for the destruction of the "Jewish state," wiped from the map, driving into the sea, and so forth. However, the accurate translation is for the *Zionist entity* to "vanish from the pages of time". In that, they're being generous. We'll never see world peace until that terrorists enclave gets dismantled, and it's tentacles disentwined from the seats of world power and governance. There is only one issue that matters, and from which all other problems ensue.

Iran bent over backwards to allow free and unfettered inspections, which you can confirm from the actual inspectors themselves. It was only under the Trump admin, when it was clear they were never going to be dealt with in good faith, did they cease fully complying with the West's impossible demands.

If I had to pick one source for interpretations on Russia and Ukraine at the moment, I'd chose Scott Creighton https://www.bitchute.com/channel/americaneveryman/

You're being very generous and diplomatic in your responses, so thanks for that. I try not to be belligerent in my comments, but sometimes I fail.

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PDG's avatar

Thanks, pretty amazing footage. We cannot learn if we do not listen, so of course I respect your opinions and views. I will read more of AmericanEverman. Take care.

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HardeeHo's avatar

In a way, Russia knows it can bully the EU via those awful weapons and we ought to remind them that we have them as well. No sane person can wish a nuclear conflict given the messy aftermath of those remained waiting to die. I'm not sure that the Southern hemisphere can evade the mess from the fallout. But Russia threatens nuclear use which has been a no-no for a very long time.

Should this Ukraine issue drag on for too long, I can't see the world allowing it. Biden & company had better be prepared to become much more vocal about our tolerance. With the Russian economy collapsing rapidly, I fear them becoming irrational. There really needs to be a summit to resolve the issue. While China may have wanted a bit of trouble, I suspect they are getting quite worried about their good friend. China has an awful lot to lose with the collapse of the world economy.

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PDG's avatar

Russia has oil. Oil is very expensive. Russia is now allied with China (thanks uncle joe) who needs oil. That economic collapse may not be as soon as you think, although I hope you are right. You are right about a Summit to figure this out. Is Vlad willing to listen to reason? He may have his own Vietnam or Afghanistan and it could be a way out. Thanks for the very insightful comment!

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HardeeHo's avatar

We can't know Putin's mind, but he may want a way out. Have we sent laughing girl over to Moscow for a chat? Maybe Macron and Johnson will come along to all hold hands.

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